The danger of nationalism

nationalism, asabiyya,

Yesterday I had a realisation. A realisation of why nationalism is so dangerous. Of why it is condemned so badly. I want to share with you part of a facebook chat, in which I was trying to find out about the events in Pakistan, and the conversation meandered to encompass past events, from the perspective of those people who were living in the country at the time. I will leave you to guess which one I am!

N

so then did he attack?

A

Women nd children slept ourside in the cold while he stayed in his 5 star heated bunker .if it was imran khan he would have slept outside in the cold with everone

Y

So they all got scared and then wanted to discuss with him
He gave his points and stuff told them we want this out new elections and lots of other beneficial for the public and the government said yea

So really he won and now he left Islamabad and shod be coming back to Canada shortly

Huhhhh

Big deep breath

Ok
A I knew u wod say sumfn opposite
Us pakis are werid why do we have to suspect

A

Basicily it was conspiracy to side line imran khan nd thats what has happend

Y

We gvn the butaz xardari and te bolides a chance

A

Y its true the man’s not sincere

Y

Oh come on
He had no agenda
He point
No party

N

suspicion is haram

how is his character before this?

Y

Yes Imran didn’t join him bt that his loss h cod be wrong Allah knows
So u and me the illiterate about politics shod just enjoy the British country and say allahumdullia we ain’t in Pak

A

If i made a mosque i would only make for ALlah swt nd to get sawab but why has he got such a huge mega pic of himsel outsid. The mosque? Never seen anyother mosques with photos of the ppl who made them..

A

The mosque on romford rd the pics outside

N

we are not illiterate lol

Y

Yea well we dnt no te deep do we

They are sly

A

Yeap true personal opinions but ALlah swt knows best

A

But i did like benazir bhutto

N

but we are not bystanders

we should be involved in politics man

politics is just making sure people have good life

Allah swt knows best, but he has Given us Quran to tell us how to live

to live by Allah swt law that is the best.

A

Yes true

N

but it wont happen unless we make it happen

we cant just say nah leave it to someone else

and even if we dont achieve it, that is in Allahs hands, it is fardh on us to strive for it

Y

The one who looted the country and ran off to uk or USA lived here for so long escaped her punishment and decides to go back and face the music
Bt her hubby gets her killed and ppl
Lame illiterate ppl again become emotinal and gv him the vote
Imean what does he know about politics

N

she

thats what my husband said yesterday

he gone look at bangladesh two of the prime ministers been women

both their husbands mysteriously dies

Y

Ha

N

in reality it is coz the women are easier to control then the men

Y

It’s the kursi man

U dnt wana gv it

N

so they kill the men get the women in power and she is just a puppet

lool

N

lol

you know when the first Caliph died, the others argued coz they didnt want to be caliph

they knew it was big responsibility

and look now dont wanna give up kursi lol

Y

They shod have called the pakis
They be more happy to take over

A

No man i mean benazir was so educated nd stuff nd ppl say what does imram khan no about politics but u hav to let somone new in if u wamt change what hav the others done?

N

change has to be the right change though, not just change coz it is good to change

Y

Yes

N

we just said Allah has given us the best law, the law which is most beneficial to us

A

Even though i think musharaff was excellemt

N

the best change is the change towards that

what is the measure of excellence though?

Y

Yes musharf was cook

Cool

Had gd English and had personality

Although his was a gaddar

N

^^ is that why he was good?

A

No n when he was in charge he ram the country good he’s frm the army bckground.so has good disipline

Y

Yes

Agree

N

a, my point is, that as Muslims we measure good by the means Allah swt gave us

N

I do not know what he did, but if he brought the country closer to the lwas of Allah is good

if he let americans have army basses in pakistan and kill civillians and kidnap and torture peopl from his country then he wasnt good

Y

Few his good points
He gave media the freedom
He took of our debts
He stopped porn
He gave women their rights and more

He was good first then went bad

A

Wasn’t his fault though when the whole world was angry about 9/11 he couldn’t say no or face having pak bombed on nd sanctions i no its selfish but that was the choice

Y

Exactly

N

a that is the problem

everyone is scared of america

people gonna let them in to kill kids and rape women and we gonna say it is not his fault he had no choice

N

in the time of the sahabah the whole army went to war for the honour of one woman

A

Me i support imran

N

now is aslong as our country is ok it dont matter if we make deals with this shayteen?

i wouldnt support a muslim without a beards man

lol

Y

Wel N those Days are gone

We cnt compare that

N

what the fuck man

we are supposed to follow the way of the pious predecessors

not say those days are gone

we are supposed to follow Allahs shariah

and if it is not being implented then we are supposed to try and get it implemented

y you might as well say those days are gone we dont need to wear hijab man

A

Hmmm

A

The Americans justify it saying there targetting terrorists

Y

I dnt no we ain’t the ones to lead that are we
It’s the men
Plus it says in the Quran Allah has made it like that
Look there will be a time not even a single Muslim will pray
The nearer we come to qaamat we getting worse

It’s coz the life

N

it says in the Quran we are commandeed to enjoin all good and forbid all evil

N

what we gonna sya there is gonna be a time where no muslims will opray so lets not pray then?

Y

Yes bt Allah has to fill the jahanunum aswel int

N

the women did a lot too man

there is enough non muslims to fill jahannam

a just said women and kids were sleeping along the march with al qadhi

Y

Yes women spent 5 days slept on the rd with kids in te frozen

N

see so women do get involved to

Y

They wanted a change

N

if women want to change the way things are they have to get involved in politics.

There are two things that struck me from this conversation. The first is something that made me angry. Angry in the way that you just cant help it, that hot feeling came from inside me. That was when I was told we cannot be like the sahabah, we cannot expect men the state to defend the honour of women.  We should still strive to be like the sahabah,

But the part that really affected me and will stay with me forever, was “A” saying Musharraf had no choice, he had to protect his people.

Like only Pakistanis are his people. That because of an imaginary red line on the map, drawn by kuffar, that the people on the other side of the line are not his people. SubhanAllah, are we not one Ummah? are we not brothers and sisters? Do we not care if our Muslim leaders aid and abet the killing and torture and rape of our brothers and sisters and children as long as they are on the other side or an arbitrary line, are they not from us, not part of us because of accidents of births? and as Muslims we support these leaders? welcome them? praise them? defend them? defend those who let the shayteen in to our homes? In doing so can we say these countries are dar ul Islam, or do they become dar ul harb? Can we say going to such countries is hijrah? how can it be?

The realisation of nationalism meaning it is ok if you kill those on the other side or the border as long as Pakistan zindabad, really stuck with me.

It was one of those things where I had read and learnt about nationalism, but the full realisation had not quite struck me till yesterday.

SubhanAllah.

Ya ummati, join together, do not fall for the remenants of the colonial divide and conquer system, together we are strong, but divided we are like the froth on the sea.

 the messenger of Allah said: “It is near that the nations will call one another against you just as the eaters call one another to their dishes.” Somebody asked: “Is this because we will be few in numbers that day?” He said: “Nay, but that day you shall be numerous, but you will be like the foam of the sea, and Allah will take the fear of you away from your enemies and will place weakness into your hearts.” Somebody asked: “What is this weakness?” He said: “The love of the world and the dislike of death.” (Abu Daud)

a few relevant hadiths.

Abu Hurairah reported that whilst the prophet, Allah blessed him and granted him peace, was talking, a Bedouin came to him and asked: “When will the hour come to pass?” He replied: “Wait for the hour when trust will be destroyed.” He asked, how it would be destroyed, and he said: “Wait for the hour when the rule will be entrusted to those who don’t deserve it.” (Bukhari)

and a reminder of what Ummah means.

“The Muslim Ummah is like one body. If the eye is in pain then the whole body is in pain and if the head is in pain then the whole body is in pain”

Nationalism is the enemy of ummah. It is what prevents the Ummah from being strong.

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Posted on 20/01/2013, in Experiences, politics and tagged , , , , , , , , , , . Bookmark the permalink. 2 Comments.

  1. I’d like to ask a question, just for my own enlightenment. (And not really connected to this post, except for the concept of imaginary lines defining people). What do you make of the sudden rise in tensions along the Kashmir border between Pakistan and India? Is it Pakistani leadership trying to redirect public attention from internal strife, especially in the “tribal lands” alongside Afghanistan, or continued antagonism of India and its’ differing society/religion? (Sorry, I know that’s kind of heavy stuff. Feel free to tell me to go mind my own business! 🙂 )

  2. erm, I don’t know. tbh I don’t know much about Pakistani politics, which was why I was having this conversation with my friends, in order to find out more!

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